tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post1300096117986387436..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Rood PeopleThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-3005965902216405982016-11-29T12:01:14.822-06:002016-11-29T12:01:14.822-06:00Thanks for relating your experiences, Tomas. I too...Thanks for relating your experiences, Tomas. I too have prayed the LOTH, the secular Roman Breviary (1960), LOBVM (1960), and the Anglican Breviary, among others. In fact, if it weren't for the calendar discrepancy, I think we'd just stick to the Breviarium Romanum, as we all love it. <br /><br />So, all that said, "jarring" is a good way to describe our experience as well when we tried the '28 BCP for the first time!<br /><br />Interestingly, my wife (who had a stronger adverse reaction) said she doesn't necessarily feel the same way about the Customary of OLW, which we also tried, even though it's based on the same basic structure, also lacks psalm antiphons, etc. We'll see how she feels about Divine Worship: The Office.<br /><br />I'm personally happy about the restoration of the separate Compline. I always felt shoving the Nunc dimittis into Evensong (stripped of its antiphon!) and "calling it a day" was just... wrong somehow!<br /><br />I hope the new LOTH translation that brings collects in line with the 2011 MR, retranslates the intercessions (and gets rid of "Be with us as we build the earthly city!" Jesuit nonsense), eliminates the superfluous and annoying Psalm Prayers, and includes proper hymns corresponding to the Latin editio typica, comes out sooner rather than later... though I won't hold my breath!Tom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07289474788868616380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-53867974338057973022016-11-29T11:32:34.547-06:002016-11-29T11:32:34.547-06:00It's definitely still Anglican, which is admit...It's definitely still Anglican, which is admittedly one of my original hangups. My exposure to the Office was in going from LOTH to using the Anglican Breviary then settling on the Monastic Diurnal. The shift to the Divine Office I made this summer was jarring. I did so in order to not have schizophrenia of officiating the Office for our Homeschool community and keeping the Diurnal for private use - I had enough with calendar issues between the Diurnal and the Ordinariate calendar (basically Novus Ordo with certain additions like feast days, rogation days, ember day).<br /><br />At first, I disliked the way it "shoved" scripture into it ("let's stop our prayers and have a reading!"), had so few psalms (monthly rotation or a seven week (grrr!) rotation), and chained together collects with abandon (if you go with the recommendation, four to five collects on a typical day) but the more I experienced it, the more I really felt like it was a proper layman's office.<br /><br />It's built to have six hours, but honestly the day hours and compline are a bit tacked on to fulfill the priestly regulations. The scripture is a lectio continua, so while some argue that so much scripture (around 2 chapters in morning and evening) is didactic, it's really just a way to make sure you're reading scripture in a prayerful setting. I personally think the 7 week rotation is far too few psalms, but the monthly rotation is actually pretty good. And the collects? Well, I've actually learned to love the exuberance in praying to everyone and about everything your heart feels called to.<br /><br />It's got some optionitis (a disease we are manfully seeking to curb in the ordinariate - notice we only have two eucharistic prayer and one is relegated to Ferias!), but outlines pretty well what should be the norm. And the Cathedral is trying it's best to model that in it's practice.<br /><br />But it's not Benedict's monastic office and needs to be recited with that understanding (though this awesome Benedictine makes a good try at explaining the way they are similar - http://www.anglicanuse.org/The%20Monastic%20Quality%20of%20Anglicanism.pdf). The Ordinariate Office is made to be recited by parishes, which, arguably, is one of the few things the Anglican reformers got right.<br /><br />Rumor has it Canada is trying to put together an Office which is basically the LOTH in proper hieratic with a few patrimonial flourishes. No idea when that might appear.Tomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09871814767313979455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-87736642612932959142016-11-29T11:01:46.105-06:002016-11-29T11:01:46.105-06:00Apropos of all of this: Happy first anniversary, D...Apropos of all of this: Happy first anniversary, Divine Worship: The Missal! <br /><br />Ad Multos Annos!Tom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07289474788868616380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-8958843341364677482016-11-29T09:21:24.508-06:002016-11-29T09:21:24.508-06:00*was supposed to say "newly minted Catholics&...*was supposed to say "newly minted Catholics'"Tom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07289474788868616380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-31007943076304631652016-11-29T09:20:23.437-06:002016-11-29T09:20:23.437-06:00Great news re: the Office! My family and I are mem...Great news re: the Office! My family and I are members of the OCSP, but we pray the LOTH currently.<br /><br />I do hope the new Office will be a little more... Catholic, I suppose, than the 1928 Prayer Book (which our pastor recommended that the congregation pray in the interim), which we, not having had any Anglican heritage beforehand, found to be rather dry and didactic. I understand a lot of serious Anglicans' (and minted Catholics') spirituality was nurtured by it, but we just had a really hard time "getting into it." Maybe we'll give it another shot once the new Office is published. <br /><br />-TomTom B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/07289474788868616380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-26282121560452585752016-11-29T09:18:20.249-06:002016-11-29T09:18:20.249-06:00I had not heard about this. This is an astonishing...I had not heard about this. This is an astonishing but very pleasing development. May it be a precedent to be followed by many other Latin Rite Catholic churches across the fruited plain. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-4950060105867460582016-11-28T17:46:36.470-06:002016-11-28T17:46:36.470-06:00I did!I did!Tomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09871814767313979455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-4792670201376193522016-11-28T17:33:00.737-06:002016-11-28T17:33:00.737-06:00My mistake. I assumed that the italicized line at ...My mistake. I assumed that the italicized line at the bottom of the leaflet was a quotation from Dr. Brand and that, hence, he did not pen the rest of the article.<br /><br />Did you read from Romans during the Mass?The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-685937944527182482016-11-28T17:21:11.568-06:002016-11-28T17:21:11.568-06:00One quick correction - the piece about the history...One quick correction - the piece about the history of the Rood Screen was written by Dr. Clint Brand. He deserves much praise for his able editing help in the Ordinariate Missal and Divine Office (and has been named a knight of the Pontifical Equestrian Order of St. Gregory the Great for this continuing work - I'm a bit proud of my old professor).<br /><br />The Office is currently being finalized for more public use (e.g. get it out of binders and actually printed as a book) - it's arguably a more proper "parochial" office (the Anglicans did somethings right!), though some of us remain rather attached to the monastic form. We have a Solemn Choral Evensong once a month and celebrate Mattins during the Sundays of Advent and Lent. If you happen to see a bearded man in a wheelchair next time you're present for the high mass, feel free to say hi.Tomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09871814767313979455noreply@blogger.com