tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post1742865900483175156..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: "EF" Mass in 1964The Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-22257589057569470732015-04-06T11:30:30.832-05:002015-04-06T11:30:30.832-05:00I realize this is a bit late, but as to St. Louis ...I realize this is a bit late, but as to St. Louis Abbey, the Church did then and still does contain numerous side altars.Marlow Ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05874079738305240891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-22288485652458404412013-08-22T05:34:27.892-05:002013-08-22T05:34:27.892-05:00Carthusians adopted other 3 eucharistic prayers......Carthusians adopted other 3 eucharistic prayers...Their 1981 Missal is downlodable in entirety.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-54147580976557338142013-08-21T15:14:10.792-05:002013-08-21T15:14:10.792-05:00Couldn't a particular monastery still use the ...Couldn't a particular monastery still use the Tridentine Mass if it desired? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-88521239908563236472013-08-21T10:37:58.818-05:002013-08-21T10:37:58.818-05:00Very blessed man!
I know the Carthusians had a Mi...Very blessed man!<br /><br />I know the Carthusians had a Missal similarly unchanged. They did not adopt any of Paul VI's changes until 1983, when the CDW forced them to do so. Imagine, an entire religious order had resisted the revolution for two decades! At least even in their reformed rite they kept the Canon as the only anaphora, albeit with the new institution words. I do not know if any of them have switched back.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-26885217438574689882013-08-21T10:35:15.529-05:002013-08-21T10:35:15.529-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-88444515345345237822013-08-21T07:57:21.319-05:002013-08-21T07:57:21.319-05:00"This problem becomes heavier if we consider ..."This problem becomes heavier if we consider that the attempts to restoration are restricted to the Roman (="tridentine") rite, while the other ancient Roman uses, and Latin rites, are being left aside"<br /><br />A friend of mine entered the traditional Carmelite monastery in WY (of Mystic Monk Coffee fame!) a few years ago, and his eyewitness account (this is while he visited before he entered) is that they continue to use the 1936 Carmelite Missal. Ergo, the real Holy Week! Reason given - 1936 was the last year the traditional Carmelite rite was revised before the Order adopted the Novus Ordo. My personal knowledge of other Western rites extends only to the Dominicans, and I do know that they had updated their books, unfortunately, to conform to the 1960 Novum Rubricarum. Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-82222439775336164752013-08-21T02:43:41.220-05:002013-08-21T02:43:41.220-05:00What is the right way(or timing) of transferring t...What is the right way(or timing) of transferring the Missal? Were there several ways(timings) for different editions of the old Missal?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-33647528965748535142013-08-20T17:12:58.089-05:002013-08-20T17:12:58.089-05:00You're probably right: I think the Novus Ordo ...You're probably right: I think the Novus Ordo was dead since its very beginning too; the problem would be in that case what would be that "something new" (hybrid rite, or almost complete dissapearing of Catholicism, at least in Europe?).<br />Well, we must survive, with the help of God.<br /><br />Kyrie eleison<br /><br />PS: nor I am very familiar to Mozarabic rite (in my diocese there is just 1 Mozarabic Mass per year, and it is Nouus-Ordo-Mozarabic), but when I have attended to it I could notice how it has been destroyed -just as the Roman rite has been.<br /><br />PPS: I don't want to distract you more time. So I'm gonna see the Pontifical High Mass you've put in the other post.Ἰουστινιανόςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853873178362328543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-3052261603559121382013-08-20T14:45:36.127-05:002013-08-20T14:45:36.127-05:00My own appraisal of the situation is rather depres...My own appraisal of the situation is rather depressing. The loss of the pure Mozarabic liturgy (as opposed to that heavily modified, modernized variation used today) is regrettable, but I am not very familiar with the rite so I will not comment on it further.<br /><br />While I think the new Roman liturgy and the current diocesan structure will implode on itself within two generations I cannot foresee a restoration of the old rite. Such an undertaking would involve a return to a spiritual outlook that has been de facto extinct for generations. I think we are headed towards something new. I may be wrong, but even if I am right we should still aim to preserve as much of the authentic Roman rite as possible in order to influence the future.<br /><br />The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-54818399593026704562013-08-20T14:35:29.412-05:002013-08-20T14:35:29.412-05:00Gratias tibi ago!
I wonder if we will see some da...Gratias tibi ago!<br /><br />I wonder if we will see some day a true liturgical (but not just liturgical) restoration in the Church, if against "Bugnini 2.0" we choose "Bugnini 1.0" liturgical books (as FSSPX, Eccleia Dei and some scholars like Gherardini do); and also if we attemp to defend traditional liturgy from a mere juridical poin of view, and not from its essential (litrugical, theological and "sensitive") superiority -while, in addition, current legal status (SP) only allows the use of 1962 books.<br /><br />This problem becomes heavier if we consider that the attempts to restoration are restricted to the Roman (="tridentine") rite, while the other ancient Roman uses, and Latin rites, are being left aside: you have sometimes talked about Sarum, but in Spain we have Mozarabic liturgy, which has been destroyed as well.<br /><br />Looking at this situation, I really don't know if it will be any solution for Catholic liturgical life next years... Perhaps you have a different point of view. Let us pray God!<br /><br />Kyrie eleisonἸουστινιανόςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853873178362328543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-41463383937593675812013-08-20T10:51:35.783-05:002013-08-20T10:51:35.783-05:00Your English is just fine!
The uninspiring answer...Your English is just fine!<br /><br />The uninspiring answer is that 1962 is what Lefebvre picked in 1983 so as to give Rome a strong report on his activities. Previously the French part of the SSPX used 1962, Econe used 1965, and everyone else (in the SSPX and in other groups) used pre-Pius XII. Most all diocesan priests and the Latin Mass Society of England used pre-Pius XII, too. Sadly, too many traditionalists think that if it is pre-conciliar it must be reverent and that is good enough. A focus on minimalism and validity trumps true worship in this mindset, which is why, outside of more academic circles, no one thinks twice about the year of the Missal.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-88732753737324879372013-08-20T07:54:37.979-05:002013-08-20T07:54:37.979-05:00Perhaps this is an idiot question, but... I can...Perhaps this is an idiot question, but... I can't realize why "traditionalist movement" considers the 1962 Missal to be the last traditional Missal, while it is actually the first wholly reformed Missal (1955 Holy Week, 1960 Rubrics, 1962 Ritus Seruandus). It is clear that it is "pre-conciliar", but also that a great damage had already been done. So... why choosing THAT Missal?<br /><br />I'm not waiting for any answer... It was just a thinking.<br /><br />Sorry for my English, it is not my language.<br /><br />Kyrie eleisonἸουστινιανόςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853873178362328543noreply@blogger.com