tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post3054724052856642126..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Hilarion: Suppress the Uniates! Rad Trad Agrees!The Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-41989726340044582022014-10-22T11:05:34.686-05:002014-10-22T11:05:34.686-05:00The lists of the parishes belonging to both church...The lists of the parishes belonging to both churches are on the web site so maybe you can tell us which church buildings are being shared??? To my knowledge I have read only of a chapel being built in a hospital in Ivano-Frankivsk. The chapel is used by all faiths BUT not at the same time. And there no "dual communion" which the orthodox do not approve.Steve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-70198602811525664792014-10-22T08:46:00.033-05:002014-10-22T08:46:00.033-05:00There has been a second response from the UGCC: &q...There has been a second response from the UGCC: "The UGKTs supported this statement since we consider that just such an act of Uniatism was the Lviv pseudosobor of 1946, as a result of which our church was liquidated by force and joined to the Moscow patriarchate. Of course, the search for the best means of unification of the churches, in particular the convergence between the Catholic and Orthodox churches today, does not have anything in common with Uniatism. At least, on the Catholic side nobody thinks to make such attempts and I hope that there will be not cases of Orthodox Uniatism. In my opinion, Vladyka Ilarion deliberately substitutes the concept of Uniatism for the declared and generally accepted right for the eastern Catholic churches to exist and develop completely, in particular the UGKTs, in order to say that UGKTs should disappear. This was clearly understood and condemned by the fathers of the synod. Almost everybody with whom I met today expressed his solidarity with Ukraine and our church, and was dismayed by the fact that an invited guest "despises members of our Catholic family." Therefore, Vladyka Ilarion's speech, on the contrary, had a positive effect for UGKTs. <br />--In his speech, Vladyka Alfeev again accused UGKTs of excessive politicization and of support of only one side in the social confrontation in Ukraine. What can you say about this?<br /><br /> --If one is talking about the fact that the social confrontation in Ukraine was a conflict between the government of Yanukovich and Ukrainian society, then I can agree with the assertion of the Moscow valdyka. As pastors, we stood unequivocally on only one side, the Ukrainian people, and we never distinguished "easterners" from "westerners," Russophones from Ukrainophones. On Maidan, just like today, we were and will be all together as a united society, the united people of Ukraine: Catholics, Orthodox, protestants, Jews, Muslims, etc. We, just like incidentally the faithful and clergy of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Moscow patriarchate, prayed on Maidan, were among the wounded and the needy, and tried to conduct a dialogue with the president and all sides of the confrontation, in order to maintain peace and prevent bloodshed."<br /><br /> http://www2.stetson.edu/~psteeves/relnews/1410e.htmlSteve_Barriehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01700596373993979010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-67096775588337596752014-10-20T20:52:19.052-05:002014-10-20T20:52:19.052-05:00St Josaphate, murdered by the Orthodox, pray for u...St Josaphate, murdered by the Orthodox, pray for us!Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-88326548689965659462014-10-20T19:09:13.900-05:002014-10-20T19:09:13.900-05:00//"Actually, Joseph, you were the one who bro...//"Actually, Joseph, you were the one who brought up useless and unnecessary information about so-called persecutions;"//<br /><br />It was neither useless nor unnecessary because I suggested that it is a reason why Catholics/Orthodox should not use rites designed or partially designed by a heretic and persecutor of Catholics. With that in mind, let's go through your responses:<br /><br />[the massacres in France on St Batholomew's Day.] - perpetrators did not design any rites for worship.<br />[Protestants treated in Catholic Spain] - perpetrators did not design any rites for worship.<br />[Jesuits in England] - did not design any rites for worship.<br />[Mary, Queen of Scots] - did not design any rites for worship.<br />[the Pope] - ah, Pope St. Pius V did promulgate rites for worship. Finally a valid example. However 99% of the Tridentine rites were merely standardizations of what already existed prior to that, most of the Pian changes were either minor rubrical tweaks or calendar adjustments. Not that this matters, as I have no scruples in regards to rites promulgated by a saint who also happened to have encouraged deposing a genocidal heretical tyrant (Elizabeth I of England).<br /><br />//"In the end, those, in Byzantine Orthodoxy who are opposed to an Anglican Use, really do not support the use of the Roman rite in Orthodoxy either, trust me"//<br /><br />Why should I trust you when my personal experiences are vastly different? Go to OCnet, there's a gigantic discussion that centers around the Sarum, Celtic, Gothic, Milan, ancient Roman, etc. rites being superior to the Anglican and Tridentine rites on account of pre-dating 1054.<br /><br />//"Would you also reject the use of the Byzantine or especially the Syaric rite because some of its composers, from a Roman Catholic standpoint, were heretics? Obviously, yes."//<br /><br />Please do not presume to answer a question from my point of view. The answer is: no! First of all, most of the Byzantine and Syrian rites have no single composer, in their current form they represent a great number of accretions over many centuries. Secondly, even if there was a single composer, it would certainly depend on *what kind of heretic* this person is. Say it's vain murderer that held a wide variety of heretical views; I would say toss the whole shebang out. If the composer were for the most part a saint but happened to hold a heresy like Monothelitism that did not infect their entire worldview, I would say that a learned theologian could go through the rite and make minor adjustments that supported said heretical view(s). <br /><br />//"I will not bother to deal with Joseph, if I wanted a discussion with bigots, I would try and talk to the Orthodox!"//<br /><br />You say you will not bother with me, after making a long response to my posts. Fascinating. But I'm still very much bewildered as to whom you're alleging I am bigoted against.<br /><br />//"But to blame this all on Cranmer, who was burnt by the way, by Mary, also as a heretic, is simply mind boggling."//<br /><br />Are you even reading what you're responding to? The proposition is that Catholics and Orthodox should not worship in the rites of a heretic and persecutor of Catholics. Absolutely no reason to delve into the entire tragic history of the English Reformation.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-824074471432086902014-10-20T16:15:54.073-05:002014-10-20T16:15:54.073-05:00I suggest we veer away from this line of topic bef...I suggest we veer away from this line of topic before we summon a Feeneyite!Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-69500823156306898382014-10-20T16:09:24.973-05:002014-10-20T16:09:24.973-05:00Yes, Lord, exactly my point. In history everyone h...Yes, Lord, exactly my point. In history everyone has unclean hands. But had Pope Sixtus not been such a fool, actually he issued this offer of a plenary indulgence against the advice of many, loyal, English Catholics; but once it had been issued, what was Elizabeth to do? He had issued several such indulgences against other Protestant rulers, and they were indeed murdered. Thus, Catholics, loyal and disloyal, were thrown into the same boat. But in the end, Elizabeth had no choice; she could trust none of them, and the Jesuits were indeed, stupidly, playing politics. The whole Guy Fawkes affair showed that even in a later generation Catholics in England could not be completely trusted. <br /><br />But to blame this all on Cranmer, who was burnt by the way, by Mary, also as a heretic, is simply mind boggling. We also forget that Thomas More right readily burnt several at the stake for being Protestant heretics in the time of Henry VIII.Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-87067063285552324632014-10-20T16:01:38.927-05:002014-10-20T16:01:38.927-05:00"we are the one and only true church and the ..."we are the one and only true church and the rest of you are wrong and going to hell"<br /><br />Indeed. I was quite floored to discover that the Melkite Church is the one true Church. Extra ecclesiam Antiochiae, nulla salus!The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-70147379422235582822014-10-20T15:57:26.078-05:002014-10-20T15:57:26.078-05:00What may be even more true than hypocrisy is that ...What may be even more true than hypocrisy is that it truly reflects the arrogance of the "we are the one and only true church and the rest of you are wrong and going to hell" type of mentality. Such people can, at least in their own minds, never be wrong. This was a mentality that was very much alive and well in even the Roman Catholic Church not too many years ago; it is tiresome and at the same time dangerous as well. They never see the log in their own eyes. It is often called, correctly, self-righteousness. The Russians tend to glory in it. Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-67954678390508703512014-10-20T15:57:14.047-05:002014-10-20T15:57:14.047-05:00Dale, it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing. ...Dale, it's a bit of a chicken and egg thing. No matter how you look at it, Catholics still in England were the ultimate losers of the whole affair.<br /><br />Elizabeth's administration was executing Catholics who attended mass, which was illegal. So Catholics had to do without mass, attend them in secret, or become exiles.<br /><br />Despite all that, many English Catholics rallied to defend their nation against the Spanish Armada and fought alongside their Protestant countrymen. Their reward was to be blamed for the attempted invasion.<br /><br />In truth, the gunpowder plot was a "last straw" affair and was motivated equally by patriotism ("Let's blow back the Scottish bastards back to their mountains!") as much as a desire for returning England to Catholicism.<br /><br />Sixtus V.... If ever there was a polarizing pontiff....Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-49569012968189907672014-10-20T15:39:06.006-05:002014-10-20T15:39:06.006-05:00In 1588 Pope Sixtus V issued a Papal Bull in which...In 1588 Pope Sixtus V issued a Papal Bull in which he concluded that Queen Elizabeth was unworthy to live. He officially extended a full Plenary Indulgence from sin for any Catholic who removed or killed the Queen. This was one of the reasons behind the attempted invasion of the Spanish Armada into England.<br /><br />Is there any wonder she was slightly distrustful of Catholics?<br />Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-30259358836631971002014-10-20T15:31:35.864-05:002014-10-20T15:31:35.864-05:00I forgot what the topic of this post was myself. I...I forgot what the topic of this post was myself. I assumed it was just meant to clutter my inbox!<br /><br />Fittingly, tomorrow is the feast of St Hilarion!The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-59445532184833205812014-10-20T15:29:42.372-05:002014-10-20T15:29:42.372-05:00Hello, Lord! If you bother to take the time and co...Hello, Lord! If you bother to take the time and compare the two canons of the mass, the one in the American 1928 and the other in 1662, you can see that they bare nothing in common; the one (1662) is a product of the medieval scholastic minimalism that only the Verba is necessary for the confection of the Sacrament; and the other is very much based upon an Eastern model, including the inclusion of a post Verba invocation of the Holy Ghost; personally, the one in the Scottish and 1962 Canadian BCP is much better; but once again the Antiochian version is not the one that appears in the BCP but in the Anglican Missal.<br /><br />I will not bother to deal with Joseph, if I wanted a discussion with bigots, I would try and talk to the Orthodox! Which was what this original posting was about. Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-78058299165890973642014-10-20T15:21:39.953-05:002014-10-20T15:21:39.953-05:00Actually, Joseph, you were the one who brought up ...Actually, Joseph, you were the one who brought up useless and unnecessary information about so-called persecutions; I can only suspect that you are still dancing about the massacres in France on St Batholomew's Day. Do tell me, how were Protestants treated in Catholic Spain? You seem to forget that before the planned invasion of England by the Spanish Armada, the Pope had issued a plenary indulgence to anyone who murdered the Queen; also the Jesuits continued to play more political than religious games in England, especially with their contacts with her cousin Mary, Queen of Scots.<br /><br />In the end, those, in Byzantine Orthodoxy who are opposed to an Anglican Use, really do not support the use of the Roman rite in Orthodoxy either, trust me, I know these people; but for you to simply rehash ahistorical sound bits of a very complicated history is problematic (I know that this must seem strange, but there are always two sides to any history). Would you also reject the use of the Byzantine or especially the Syaric rite because some of its composers, from a Roman Catholic standpoint, were heretics? Obviously, yes.Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-74024038756226631902014-10-20T14:32:24.938-05:002014-10-20T14:32:24.938-05:00LoB: this website has uploads of almost every inca...LoB: this website has uploads of almost every incarnation of the BCP. The link to the 1928 American one: http://justus.anglican.org/resources/bcp/1928/BCP_1928.htmAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-18487981589501553442014-10-20T14:16:12.512-05:002014-10-20T14:16:12.512-05:00Perhaps you missed my little footnote: "*Yes,...Perhaps you missed my little footnote: "*Yes, I know at the time England was not using the Tridentine rites, and that the Council of Trent had not happened yet. I'm using 'Tridentine' here as short-hand for authentic Catholic liturgies." The 'treason' of More and Fisher are that they refused to acknowledge the ecclesiastical authority that the Monarchy had assumed, so one could quite correctly say they were killed for heresy.<br /><br />"Queen Elizabeth only persecuted Roman Catholics who attempted to murder her, or convince her subjects to rebel against her lawful authority." Riiiiiight. Gotcha. Instead of having a debate that would inevitably come down to how white-washed your view of the Tudors is, I'm going to ignore this whole paragraph altogether--because it's not actually relevant to anything we've been talking about. Cf. "The whole reference to Queen Mary is a red herring anyway..."<br /><br />Again, not particularly interested in a long drawn out comparison between the lot of the BCPs. I'm looking at the Lancelot Andrewes Press BCP for Antiochian Western-rite Orthodox right now (I'm sure the case is the same for the Ordo of Our Lady of Walsingham) and there's plenty of Cranmer's words littered all around. Cleaning up the particularly worst ones here and there doesn't change that fact. I don't really care if the base text was from 1552 or 1662 or 1928 from England or Scotland or the USA or Timbuktu. If you're a Protestant and you want to use the BCP, great, good for you. Catholics and Orthodox should be more wary of what their ancestors died for. T'was all I was saying, and if you're looking for anything more than that, you're missing the tree whilst staring at the forest.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13389839508298483882014-10-20T14:11:50.412-05:002014-10-20T14:11:50.412-05:00Actually, Dale that bit about the BCP is interesti...Actually, Dale that bit about the BCP is interesting. Do you have a link to the canon?<br /><br />I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Elizabeth's reign, but I won't go down that rabbit-hole...Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13151218848128096022014-10-20T14:08:52.429-05:002014-10-20T14:08:52.429-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13018735604315315252014-10-20T13:35:41.023-05:002014-10-20T13:35:41.023-05:00Actually, when Fisher and More were executed, for ...Actually, when Fisher and More were executed, for treason, not heresy, the only rite permitted in England was the Sarum rite in Latin. Philip, Mary's Spanish husband did indeed want to execute Elizabeth, then after the death of her half-sister, wanted to marry her! Queen Elizabeth only persecuted Roman Catholics who attempted to murder her, or convince her subjects to rebel against her lawful authority. Many English gentry families remained quietly Catholic for centuries, and were even granted the Catholic colony of Maryland; how many Spanish Protestants were ever granted anything other than death? <br /><br />The American 1928, as in the case of all American BCPs, have nothing to do with ether 1552 or 1662, they are based upon the Scottish BCP, composed when the Scottish Church was not even in communion with Canterbury, it was composed by non-juring bishops. Its canon is base upon the Syriac rite, not the Roman or Cranmer's. Please, before posting, at least know what you are posting about!Dalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06431501238259860462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-7275726251861031552014-10-20T12:45:38.944-05:002014-10-20T12:45:38.944-05:00Thanks for the heads up on the SSPX/FSSP. "Be...Thanks for the heads up on the SSPX/FSSP. "Be silent or get out" is probably a rather toxic attitude, although in principle I would think that recited responses should be done quietly.<br /><br />The family kissing icons during the Liturgy of Catechumens was experienced at a Melkite church I went to once. While in some Byzantine-rite churches, the laity does not move once the liturgy has begun, in others it's not uncommon (from what I have heard and personally seen) for people to wander around doing devotions prior to the consecration. <br /><br />I will look for a copy of the book you recommend. But I think it's poisoning the well to say that liturgy becomes "secondary" to private devotions. Praying the Rosary or kissing icons can amplify the liturgy if one is contemplating the Hostia while doing so. Maybe going to Confession while Mass is ongoing is a distraction, but other than that, I cannot think of any glaring examples where it's actually a bad thing if your focus is not 100% aligned with everybody else's.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-55645418665158191152014-10-20T12:28:37.519-05:002014-10-20T12:28:37.519-05:00From what I understand, those who attend Diocesan ...From what I understand, those who attend Diocesan Latin Masses are an entirely different breed than the SSPX or SSPX-lite - I mean FSSP types. Consider yourself fortunate. Many of the FSSP/SSPX trads are highly politicized, have a cult-like mentality, are extremely legalistic, and are a parody of every negative stereotype of a trad.<br /><br />I am not contradicting myself. My experience in Trad churches (I need to point out that I have never lived in a diocese with diocesan Latin Masses) is a "be silent or get out" environment. I have never seen "the mommy with her procession of children kissing icons until the Gospel reading" in Byzantine churches. The ones I've been to have everyone either singing the liturgy or paying attention to the liturgy.<br /><br />When liturgy becomes secondary to private devotions, that is where there is a problem (Geoffrey Hull's excellent "The Banished Heart" goes into this in more detail).Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-35182076027076329232014-10-20T11:23:15.958-05:002014-10-20T11:23:15.958-05:00Also, I'm a bit bewildered that you criticize ...Also, I'm a bit bewildered that you criticize the lack of participation in the Tridentine rites but laud the laity's freedom in the Byzantine rite. How's the lady praying her Rosary until Holy Communion any different than the mommy with her procession of children kissing icons until the Gospel reading?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-33252374858877165652014-10-20T11:17:09.525-05:002014-10-20T11:17:09.525-05:00My experience with the Extraordinary Form in the M...My experience with the Extraordinary Form in the MD/DC/VA area has been entirely Dialogue Masses. Then again, none of those I have been to were FSSP or SSPX, and I only became Catholic the same year that Summorum Pontificum was promulgated.<br /><br />I agree that there's an obsession with lay participation in the Pauline rites, but I do not think the converse is true for the Tridentine rites. If you, in the pews, want to say a server's prayer, why can you not do so with a hushed voice so as to not disturb the contemplation of your neighbors? I would not glare at you if you were loud about it, I promise, but do you at least see that if the norm is silence, then everybody can participate as he sees fit, rather than having something foisted upon him?<br /><br />And I think the poor lady praying her Rosary during Mass has been condemned enough--she's always the one that seems to be brought up whenever one sets out to criticize the preconciliar rites. So what if she wants to contemplate the Rosary mysteries instead of singalong, parrot responses, or even silently follow in a hand missal? Maybe her Low Mass was the one time of the week she had for silent prayer, and since 1965, she has nothing.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-9642799586996709912014-10-20T11:01:47.888-05:002014-10-20T11:01:47.888-05:00I'm not sure whether my church is an anomaly, ...I'm not sure whether my church is an anomaly, but I think the entirety of the Ukrainian Eparchy of Chicago (which covers the West US) uses it for English readings.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-87561932374015874812014-10-20T10:53:13.774-05:002014-10-20T10:53:13.774-05:00I am far from a "Participation Fascist"....I am far from a "Participation Fascist". Some find liturgical fulfillment in contemplation (contemplation of the liturgy, and not something like the Irish practice of praying your rosary while the Mass goes on in the background) while others find it in singing the liturgy. In a Byzantine or Oriental liturgy, one can do either.<br /><br />My problem with both the Pauline and "TLM" praxis is that there seems to be a totalitarian emphasis on either participation or lack thereof. On the one hand, I don't want to sing "On Turkey's Wings" despite all the looks I get. On the other hand, getting dirty looks and being hushed for saying the "Domine non sum dignus" before communion aloud is ridiculous.<br /><br />I never witnessed a single dialogue mass in all my 20 years at the $$PX or FSSP. I loathe the Four hymn or Two hymn sandwich (with the tiring and aggravating "Holy God We Praise Thy Name" or the ridiculous "Faith of our Fathers").<br /><br />"What pleased me most about a Greek Orthodox mass I once attended was that there seemed to be no prescribed behavior for the congregation. Some stood, some knelt, some sat, some walked; one crawled about the floor like a caterpillar. And the beauty of it was that nobody took the slightest notice of what anyone else was doing. I wish we Anglicans would follow their example. One meets people who are perturbed because someone in the next pew does, or does not, cross himself. They oughtn't even to have seen, let alone censured. 'Who are thou that judgest Another's servant?' " - CS LewisEcclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-64936555111295794202014-10-20T10:34:05.688-05:002014-10-20T10:34:05.688-05:00Very interesting--by New American Version, I take ...Very interesting--by New American Version, I take it you mean the Bible translation that came between the KJV and RSV? I consult that version from time to time because it's the most literal translation out there that doesn't devolve to nonsense translationese. I didn't know anybody used it for worship anymore though. Is your church an anomaly in this regard?<br /><br />But I'm afraid I have to disagree with your opinion on the Ordinariate liturgical praxis. Preconciliar parish Masses often had the laity saying the responses ("Dialogue Mass") and singing the vernacular four-hymn sandwich, and many Extraordinary Form-celebrating parishes still do. The Byzantine-rite equivalent is the congregational singing that can be found in Ruthenian and OCA churches. Many people love this tradition and I have nothing against it whatsoever. My personal taste however is to spend my time in the liturgy in mystical contemplation; that's why I prefer Solemn High Mass and the Russian Orthodox liturgies.<br /><br />I certainly hope you don't think I'm a 'silent flippant' or a 'mere spectator' because I don't parrot the responses or sing along. Part of my exhaustion with the Ordinary Form is because my wife and I have decided to stop saying the responses and singing the hymns, for which we sometimes get judgmental glares from our neighbors in the pews.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00167443887449854135noreply@blogger.com