tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post5274981671934935017..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Why Does HBO Understand Things the Pope Doesn't?The Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-63528583225571251452017-03-07T07:19:54.170-06:002017-03-07T07:19:54.170-06:00"Still, Pope Jude Law is interesting in that ..."Still, Pope Jude Law is interesting in that he is a very "rigid" person who adheres to discipline because "something is wrong with him": he is an orphan, whose ecclesiastical discipline gave him direction in life."<br /><br />The fruits of "The Authoritarian Personality", by the Frankfurt School. To this day one hears that accusation that if you like structure, order, etc, that something is wrong with you. Acquaintances of mine (most of whom weren't even "traditional minded", only "conservative") expelled from seminaries were told they had psychological problems; my wife and I were accused of the same by a member of my diocese's episcopal curia; in a Portuguese newspaper recently, in an editorial on the FSSPX (which amazed me, given how unknown they are in Portugal), a sociologist teaching at the Catholic University was quoted implying the same thing - that those attracted to structure, sound doctrine, etc., are "vulnerable" people...<br /><br />When will we hear the end of this?Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-23270108691768775282017-03-06T10:09:02.785-06:002017-03-06T10:09:02.785-06:00On a superficial note: I can't understand why ...On a superficial note: I can't understand why the HBO Pope went to the trouble to get Paul VI's tiara back; I would definitely have used B. Pius IX's (last seen at John XXIII's coronation)--but that would be a little over the budget for this ten-part somnambulism. They did, I have to admit, have a beautiful recreation of the Sistine Chapel. Too bad "Pius XIII" was such a weirdo; it would have been much more interesting (in my opinion) to see an updated version of S. Pius V, a true holy "terror" to the Curia of his time and a veritable force of nature.Capreolushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07329413913112615954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-42914002048531082682017-03-05T15:23:58.910-06:002017-03-05T15:23:58.910-06:00Agreed on both points.
We might also look at Fell...Agreed on both points.<br /><br />We might also look at Fellini's ROMA (1972), which features a (very) surreal Vatican fashion show that just cuts the legs out from the liturgical and aesthetic faddism then in full cry in Paul VI's Church. <br /><br />Well, one might say, that's Fellini: Cynicism was a stock in trade for him. Which is true, but it wasn't his only stock; and earnestness like SHOES employs requires careful handling if you want compelling drama out of it (this is, in fairness, lethal to so many second-rate Christian dramatizations). SHOES failed in that respect; but I think the reduction of the Church to pastel <i>Good Works NGO</i> simply lowered the stakes too much for audiences to care much about it in the way they had cared about past big budget Biblical and Church historical pics. Just as they increasingly seem not to care about the present live-fire exercise in NGOism by FrancisChurch, if dwindling papal audience numbers (and collapsing membership numbers in various realms abroad) are anything to go by. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-45983966991250036362017-03-05T12:14:29.862-06:002017-03-05T12:14:29.862-06:00Athelstane. Yes, and, sadly, ABS was raised that w...Athelstane. Yes, and, sadly, ABS was raised that way and he remained faithful to that schooling until the latter days.<br /><br />It was only after he became a trad autodidact that the ultramontanism scales began to fall from his eyes with the result being that the security and peace of Jesus Christ began to supplant ultramontanism which is, as the saints say, <i>way mo'better.</i>Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-15792908392584655502017-03-05T11:40:17.149-06:002017-03-05T11:40:17.149-06:00The comparison of The Young Pope with Shoes of the...The comparison of The Young Pope with Shoes of the Fisherman is really inspired I think. It bookmarks two secular views from outside the Church, one rooting for her to be the greatest NGO and the other, having seen it, finding that view wanting.<br /><br />Shoes of the Fisherman, a terrible film, was a flop for the same reason eventual Oscar winner Moonlight was a flop. People subconsciously want to be bothered a little when engaging dramatic stories; Quinn's film gave everyone exactly what they expected with no interesting twist to it.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-82447510177823306142017-03-05T10:49:15.912-06:002017-03-05T10:49:15.912-06:00....Pope Paul vi who, during the council, publicly...<i>....Pope Paul vi who, during the council, publicly confirmed that the fathers of that council were the best and holiest catholics ever.</i><br /><br />And with that, ultramontanism did the trick for the rest. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-52421526293024659722017-03-05T09:41:14.647-06:002017-03-05T09:41:14.647-06:00The solemnity and grandeur of the Real Mass actual...The solemnity and grandeur of the Real Mass actualised in a Real Church tends to directs one's intelligence and will the pluperfect Salvific Sacrifice of Jesus Christ and to the Four Last Things and Gregorian Chant bears one soul aloft.<br /><br />However, during the revolution within the form of Catholicism of V2, the revolutionaries chose to supplant Theocentrism with anthropocetrism and, thus we get all the dreck and bull shit but why did they do such a thing?<br /><br />Haughty arrogance; they truly did believe they were there most intelligent and holiest Catholics to have ever lived and that they knew what must be done (as Lenin liked to say) and they were confirmed in their delusionary haughty arrogance by Pope Paul vi who, during the council, publicly confirmed that the fathers of that council were the best and holiest catholics ever.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-42960039040594189462017-03-05T03:21:13.589-06:002017-03-05T03:21:13.589-06:00Anyone with an Internet access can understand the ...Anyone with an Internet access can understand the Church better than contemporary churchmen.Mirai Kuriyamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17174962279656191952noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-26736620660720026602017-03-04T20:32:29.435-06:002017-03-04T20:32:29.435-06:00P.S. I think it's interesting to contrast THE ...P.S. I think it's interesting to contrast THE YOUNG POPE with THE SHOES OF THE FISHERMAN, released at the height of the Revolution (1968). Its outsider pope also likes to sneak out of the Vatican at night to explore Rome, but works busily to sell off the patrimony Pope Jude Law tries so hard to reassemble (even to the point of wearing a business suit!). Even with the obvious liberal impulse inherent in adapting Morris West's work, Michael Anderson could not help allowing his cinematographer to allow the camera to linger in one baroque setting after another of the Vatican. <br /><br />The movie was a complete flop at the box office...in a year when the cultural wind could not have been more strongly at its back. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-2471413617445561582017-03-04T20:15:04.011-06:002017-03-04T20:15:04.011-06:00Why does a blood and sex network like HBO understa...<i>Why does a blood and sex network like HBO understand the Church better than contemporary churchmen?</i><br /><br />Having watched a few chunks of the show - to see what the fuss was about - I've decided that the answer may be as simple as this: a traditional pontiff, and a traditional Church, is simply much more interesting to the showrunners and their backers than a liberal one is. <br /><br />By "interesting," of course, I don't mean they necessarily approve - on some level they obviously do not, and can not - but merely that it makes for a more interesting drama, and more striking visuals. Maybe it should say something to the present Progressives running things that such thoroughly secularized media lords find baroque chapels and vestments to be worth depicting in a way that would not be conceivable for a mincing priest in banal polyester in Meier's barren Jubilee Church, with treacly Haugan-Haas hymnody limping off the walls. <br /><br />Jude Law's Pius XIII doesn't seem to be a hero or even an anti-hero of the show, and this is not surprising. What is surprising, as you say, is that the progressive prelates (especially the gay ones) surrounding him are painted in such black tones. Perhaps they simply can identify this sort of corruption all too quickly, having seen so much of it in their own world in various forms. It doesn't hurt that they're mostly Italians. <br /><br />P.S. I cannot recommend the show, either, though I did find Pius's speech to the College of Cardinals (but *not* the vesting scene beforehand) worth showing to a few traditionalist friends. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.com