tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post5471105402515419685..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Preparation for MarriageThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-36544348463771819312019-05-24T08:23:32.863-05:002019-05-24T08:23:32.863-05:00A covenant is a type of contract, but I see your p...A covenant is a type of contract, but I see your point. It is all too easy for Tradistani priests to fall back on the simple moral-manual requirements for marriage without understanding its internal logic and life.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-6799492182875682562019-05-23T11:16:11.567-05:002019-05-23T11:16:11.567-05:00I heard recently a well-known Tradistani priest sa...I heard recently a well-known Tradistani priest say that Matrimony is not about covenant, but simply a contract where both parties have rights over the body of the other, and that was pretty much all Matrimony is about. Talk about a stark view. I pity the couples who get him for marriage prep. Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-27664332883166562652016-10-18T09:18:34.916-05:002016-10-18T09:18:34.916-05:00You mean about the difference between lusting afte...You mean about the difference between lusting after one's spouse and loving her according to Christian morals? I think if we're going with the Thomistic tradition, lust (or "luxury") is an inordinate and unlawful desire for, or enjoyment of, venereal pleasures. Or as St. Thomas says, "Lust consists essentially in exceeding the order and mode of reason in the matter of venereal acts."<br /><br />So the lawful enjoyment of such acts (within marriage and according to nature) is not properly called lust, even though we may use that term colloquially. Strictly speaking, lust is always a sin, because it is a perversion of the marriage bed.<br /><br />But if you want, I can ask for more reading material.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-91425300356712479072016-10-18T04:53:42.910-05:002016-10-18T04:53:42.910-05:00J., if you could ask your priest where one can rea...J., if you could ask your priest where one can read up on what it means to lust after one's spouse, that would be appreciated. I've been looking for an answer to that for quite some time, but have not found a satisfactory answer.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-2417930039643850692016-10-12T16:37:50.813-05:002016-10-12T16:37:50.813-05:00Read Bossy in Christianity in the West wherein he ...Read Bossy in Christianity in the West wherein he talks about the evolution of marriage law and the eventual promulgation of the Roman Ritual in 1614.<br /><br />Also, FC isn't the problem. Every good priest should know it and Veritatis splendor well...Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-77792417285887095992016-10-12T03:09:45.795-05:002016-10-12T03:09:45.795-05:00"Humans in the sacraments supply the act, the..."Humans in the sacraments supply the act, the bread, the water, and the words; God supplies the grace, the mystery. In the sacred act of creating life, man and woman supply the unity of the flesh; God supplies the soul and the mystery. Such is the mystery of sex."<br /><br />Still better than him constantly pushing Barclay's Bible Commentary on his listeners. <br />Solitary Sojourning https://www.blogger.com/profile/12091161291027576112noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-24166613547661439082016-10-11T09:14:33.598-05:002016-10-11T09:14:33.598-05:00Oh, it could certainly be much worse than it is. I...Oh, it could certainly be much worse than it is. I've heard many horror stories from the larger diocesan experience, and I'm glad the priest did not decide to assign us to any such programs.<br /><br />I will have to look for St. John's sermons on marriage. It seems that St. Vladimir's Seminary Press has published a collection of them.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-60578755944193365182016-10-11T08:41:30.457-05:002016-10-11T08:41:30.457-05:00First of all, congrqatulations on the engagement. ...First of all, congrqatulations on the engagement. I had not realised you were "on the way".<br />While your experience of marriage prep is dry, consider yourself fortunate. What my wife and I got was two days of engaged couples sharing "life experiences" (with the married moderators just nodding). When the topic of the Sacrament came up, we had a priest come in simply to speak banalities (to quote him verbatim: "Our God is amazing, man. And if it's raining todaay, tomorrow it'll be sunny, and that's life you know, so expect rain and sun in your married life". At least the at the time dioceasn vicar general had the sense to talk about divorced couples and warn people that they shouldn't enter into marriage in the Church if they weren't doing it out of Faith).<br />I find it sad that we in the Latin Church speak so little of the Sacrament of Matrimony; when we do it only seems to be mostly about the moral/social aspect, as you yourself refered to in the post.<br />For my wife and I, what helped us to prepare better for matrimony was the constant re-reading of the notorious Ephesians pericope (it was so influential that we eventually got "Efesians 5" engraved on the inside of our wedding rings.<br />The starkness of the Roman matrimonial rite doesn't help much either I think. There is, however, a detail within the rite that is quite revealing, but tends to be overlooked: when the couple enter the sanctuary. I reflect a bit on that here: https://auremcordis.wordpress.com/2016/04/28/on-matrimony-the-yoke-and-martyrdom/<br /><br />Oh, if you do get a chance, read ol' Goldenmouth's homilies on marriage. Very edifying ;-)Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.com