tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post6983755494690222824..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: The Immaculate Conception and Liturgical DevelopmentThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-53641612733421213892013-12-09T22:53:49.197-06:002013-12-09T22:53:49.197-06:00It is true, the new texts did not appear until 186...It is true, the new texts did not appear until 1863 (SRC 3119), yet it seems that the new Mass was composed precisely because of the Pian definition. At least they took the time to compose something decent, unlike what Pius XII did with the Assumption of Our Lady (*shivers*).The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-49842085867021938452013-12-09T16:07:26.280-06:002013-12-09T16:07:26.280-06:00The new mass for the Immaculate Conception did not...The new mass for the Immaculate Conception did not appear for several years after 1854. Looking at a missal in my collection from 1858 it has, on December 8th, the title 'Immaculate Conception' yet the texts are <i>Salve Sancta parens</i>. Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-53691333783074122302013-12-07T11:16:49.474-06:002013-12-07T11:16:49.474-06:003. A more legitimate option based on historical pr...3. A more legitimate option based on historical precedent - just allow the Mass of the Sunday to be offered (ad libitum after None) on Dec. 9 while the Office remains that of the Octave. Still, the five Lauds/Hours antiphons get no exposure, and this is bumming me!Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-26221003224631033992013-12-07T11:13:07.025-06:002013-12-07T11:13:07.025-06:00"Given that prior to St. Pius X all octaves w..."Given that prior to St. Pius X all octaves were treated a bit differently perhaps there simply could have been a rule that the Sunday Mass had to be repeated on the first ferial or simple day, after which the octave could be observed."<br /><br />A point we didn't consider with the CTO. I was just thinking a few days back that the Second Sunday of Advent and its week will be but reduced to a commemoration all week because of the Octave, the orations and Bened/Magnif antiphons and the Proper Last Gospel of the Sunday being the only propers to get exposure. The Epistle and proper antiphons at Lauds/Vespers and the Hours will be completely ignored this year. This is a real dilemma - how do you celebrate a Ferial Office (always of Simple rank/rite) and observe an Octave (always of Semidouble rite) simutaneously? Not even Pius X's Octave system solved the problem we have before us. <br /><br />I see only two solutions:<br />1. Pull a Pius XII and eliminate the Octave of the IC - voila, four (or three if in the US and Mexico) Ferial Days for the week ahead.<br />2. Compose a new rubric with no historical basis creating a privileged Feria (similar to Ash Wednesday) during the second week of Advent (probably the Monday) to allow both the Mass of the Sunday and the Ferial Office to have a place. No historical basis because no Octaves are allowed on any of the days/times which are already privileged Feriae. The closest justification for this would be based on the anticipated Sunday on Saturday Office so that no Sunday's propers would be skipped in a given year. <br /><br />Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-67834432406696138982013-12-07T07:39:55.240-06:002013-12-07T07:39:55.240-06:00Linking with your previous post: as far as I know,...Linking with your previous post: as far as I know, it is actually Immaculate Conception one of the <i>innovations</i> the Byzantines say we have introduced in the Faith. <br /><br />It was just an observation... but it drives me to think about the relationship between <i>lex orandi</i> and <i>lex credendi</i>. And sorry for this odd dissertation.<br /><br />http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/61/Murillo_immaculate_conception.jpg<br /><br />Kyrie eleisonἸουστινιανόςhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00853873178362328543noreply@blogger.com