tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post7363998939220453825..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Quest for ChurchThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-55688558958845294962018-09-14T12:39:41.178-05:002018-09-14T12:39:41.178-05:00Continued from previous post:
Anyways, in studyin...Continued from previous post:<br /><br />Anyways, in studying the American South, in addition to realizing that (unlike what many Catholic traditionalists insist) there was in fact an at least semi-traditional civilization, right here in America, I have also come to see that it is possible for Protestants and Catholics to co-exist in an environment, not of merely sentimental, feel-good ecumenism (that in fact degrades religion), but rather in an environment that is, in fact, devout and traditional.<br /><br />As to my views on Protestantism, while not unheard of for a conservative, anti-modernist, Latin Mass-attending, Vatican II-rejecting Catholic, they are rather rare. That is, I don't believe Protestants are heretics. I accept that there are heresies, Mormonism, for instance, with its false Prophet Joseph Smith and new sacred book, is an example of a heresy. Someone who tries to impute a nature to Christ or the Trinity that is not in line with tradition, would be a heretic.<br /><br /><br />But what Protestantism as a whole is, is a simplification of Christian religion. It is a secondary form of Christianity, truncated and artistically impoverished in comparison to Catholicism. Yet it is not invalid; it is simply more direct. The Protestant mentality, rather than mining through the sometimes maze of Catholic dogma and tradition, wants to deal more directly and plainly with Christ Himself. <br /><br />What I have said could certainly be said better, but there you have it. Now I can be burned at the stake! :-)<br /> <br />Mr. Cardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478508567069137078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-81691163641539801542018-09-14T12:38:13.861-05:002018-09-14T12:38:13.861-05:00Hello, radtrad, I have enjoyed what I have read of...Hello, radtrad, I have enjoyed what I have read of your blog to date. My opinion on this topic (I might seem to come at the topic obliquely, but hope you would yet read my post):<br /><br />I think Luther was in fact a throwback to the Middle Ages, not a prelude to modernity. In Calvin, a humanistic strain blends strongly with his religion, but even yet, a rather conservative, anti-modern Calvinism is possible.<br /><br />Anyways, if we are searching for a conservative Protestant society, resistant to modernism, I think we need look no further than South of the Mason Dixon. There is a significant school of thought that considers the antebellum American South (a largely, but not entirely Protestant civilization ((actually a civilization which did a fair job of promoting a religious toleration that did not destroy religion)) ) the last non-materialist civilization in the West. These same thinkers see the American Constitution as in many ways a late-medieval document in that it is so concerned with limiting the powers of government.<br /><br />If Protestantism promotes modernity (or at least is not very resistant to it), than how is one to explain the Protestant South's obsession with chivalry, its production of America's greatest critics of modernity from the Southern Agrarians to that pinnacle of American thought, the inimitable Kentuckian, Wendell Berry? How is one to explain the continuous antipathy towards large government that Southerners have possessed since the founding? <br /><br />As far as individualism is concerned, Southern intellectuals (yes, they exist even today, though as New England controls America you will not hear of them) speak of 'social-bond individualism.' That is, that Southern society both gave great room to the individual while at the same time binding him into a strong kinship network. A Southern man had large room to follow his own inclinations, yet at the same time he was connected, through kinship and the shared interest that binds people in agricultural societies, with his neighbors, for whom he would in the end lay down his life (Robert E. Lee's soldiers fought like devils, for years, outnumbered and outgunned, underfed and under-clothed). <br /><br />A great website to check out on the topic of all things Southern is: The Abbeville Institute. They have many excellent lectures (their lectures are also on youtube) spanning 17 or 18 years of conferences, as well as many blog contributions (though the written contributions tend to vary more in quality than the lectures). You might also be amused at the intra-Protestant conflict displayed at Abbeville, as these Southern thinkers generally have nothing but contempt for New England Puritanism (schadenfreude aside, the guys at Abbeville actually have excellent criticisms of Puritanism).<br /><br />Mr. Cardenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13478508567069137078noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-20047852736718858652016-10-08T10:15:05.498-05:002016-10-08T10:15:05.498-05:00It is too bad that the Popes who knew that interme...It is too bad that the Popes who knew that intermediaries in the political and economical realm were good for protecting the individual, didn't apply that to the liturgy, but thought the opposite. It is ironic that they somehow thought that more centralization would protect the liturgy from drastic changes and keep tradition, but as we have seen, that only led to the most drastic changes and abolishing tradition.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-86502483050679491822016-10-07T22:58:58.620-05:002016-10-07T22:58:58.620-05:00There is one thing that has remained from my days ...There is one thing that has remained from my days as a young libertarian: an enduring hatred for the omnipresent Hobbesian leviathan of the modern "democratic" state (a state which is, no doubt, supported and encouraged by the forces of the evil one). The difference now, as an anarcho-distributist with monarchist sympathies (Death to the Tricolor! Vive le Roi!), is that I know it is not enough to merely topple it. Man must re-learn what life is with the "intermediary" and "lesser" institutions in which he was meant to live. How sweet and light is the yoke of the Church and a local mayor/noble compared to that of a faceless "free and elected" government that takes whatever it wishes for "freedom"!<br /><br />It will likely never happen in my lifetime, but leviathan will die. It will consume itself like the mythical Ungoliant.<br /><br />"My political opinions lean more and more to Anarchy (philosophically understood, meaning abolition of control not whiskered men with bombs) – or to ‘unconstitutional’ Monarchy. I would arrest anybody who uses the word State (in any sense other than the inanimate realm of England and its inhabitants, a thing that has neither power, rights nor mind); and after a chance of recantation, execute them if they remained obstinate! If we could get back to personal names, it would do a lot of good. Government is an abstract noun meaning the art and process of governing and it should be an offence to write it with a capital G or so as to refer to people." - JRR TolkeinEcclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-45714171315122172682016-10-07T17:27:07.949-05:002016-10-07T17:27:07.949-05:00These quotes show the reasons why I've admired...These quotes show the reasons why I've admired Belloc and Chesterton for promoting Distributism, and how the Popes from Leo XIII to Pius XI were at least right in their promotion of social justice, decrying all the errors of the modern state.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-11267046421250452952016-10-07T05:19:08.627-05:002016-10-07T05:19:08.627-05:00"In the beginning, in France, England, and el..."In the beginning, in France, England, and elsewhere, the State is no more than a limited tie between military lord and his men. The earliest distinct function of the king is that of leadership in war. But to the military function is added, in time, other functions of a legal, juridical, economic, and even religious nature, and, over a long period, we can see the passage of the State from an exclusively military association to one incorporating almost every aspect of life."<br /><br />This.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com