tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post1622457141984985374..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: On Working Inside the SystemThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-22231014111800462372016-11-20T14:13:08.559-06:002016-11-20T14:13:08.559-06:00With Russia mentioned so often in Catholic Prophec...With Russia mentioned so often in Catholic Prophecy, it is a fun exercise to try and figure-out what in the heck is happening there.<br /><br />ABS reads this guy and even though he disagrees with him more than a few times, The Saker is well worth reading;<br /><br />http://www.unz.com/tsaker/putin-is-finally-purging-the-medvedev-government/Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-51783641476268399532016-11-20T14:11:00.859-06:002016-11-20T14:11:00.859-06:00Great info, Athelstane. ThanksGreat info, Athelstane. ThanksMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-81722370487235663422016-11-20T08:39:28.342-06:002016-11-20T08:39:28.342-06:00According to many reports, he finished in second p...According to many reports, he finished in second place to Ratzinger, with over 40 votes on his best ballot. Progressives, it is said, shifted over to him as a more acceptable compromise once it became clear that Martini had no shot. <br /><br />But from what I have heard from at least one prelate who was in Rome at the time, Bertone did such a masterful job rounding up votes that Ratzinger was pretty much a foregone conclusion, and Bergoglio never had a shot even if (as it is reported) he had not insisted to supporters that he didn't want the job.Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-65085336932906721482016-11-19T08:15:45.514-06:002016-11-19T08:15:45.514-06:00Thanks, Athelstane. ABS was, as usual, making appa...Thanks, Athelstane. ABS was, as usual, making apparently unwarranted assumptions based upon the conclave that elected Ratzinger; didn't Jorge finish in the top four in that conclave?Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-36643425504452006342016-11-19T02:40:30.832-06:002016-11-19T02:40:30.832-06:00Okay.Okay.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-92022465192739872212016-11-18T19:33:29.226-06:002016-11-18T19:33:29.226-06:00Hello ABS,
Actually, I'm not so sure how well...Hello ABS,<br /><br />Actually, I'm not so sure how well all the 2013 conclave electors knew Jorge Maria Bergoglio. Certainly *some* did - his merry band of St. Galen followers who worked hard for his election. <br /><br />But Bergoglio only speaks (Argentine) Spanish and an eclectic Italian. He rarely ventured out of Buenos Aires, even to Rome for the various congregations he was posted to. He was not a published theologian or philosopher. I think it's far from clear that, say, North American, Asian, African cardinals or even many European cardinals who all voted for him on the last ballot really knew just exactly what they were getting. After all, most of them literally could not converse with him without an interpreter. <br /><br />Whereas with Joseph Ratzinger, you had someone who was about as much of a known quantity to all and sundry as you could manage. He spoke nearly all the major languages fluently, was one of the most published late 20th century theologians, and as CDF Prefect over the previous 24 years, met regularly with all bishops who came to Rome for their ad limina visits. Not since Eugenio Pacelli has a future pope been so well known to so many of his colleagues. <br /><br />There is much that can and will still be said about these two conclaves, and what cardinals really thought they were voting for. But I do know there's a good deal more discomfort out there in many episcopates with this pontificate than is known publicly, and this suggests to me there's been some buyer's remorse. And likewise, it is also true that Bergoglio is, alas, a depressingly more fitting representative of the post-conciliar Church than his two predecessors were - which I think gets to the point you are trying to make.Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-56120319043031015102016-11-18T12:59:16.601-06:002016-11-18T12:59:16.601-06:00It's just a frivolous rhetorical affectation t...It's just a frivolous rhetorical affectation that ABS initially did just for his own amusement but the more objections to the practice he received the more the praxis became annealed.<br /><br />ABS really loved it when Bob Dole did that and was mocked for doing that by Norm McDonald on SNL Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-84020666596788112692016-11-18T02:09:55.052-06:002016-11-18T02:09:55.052-06:00Why do you, ABS and EV, refer to yourselves in thi...Why do you, ABS and EV, refer to yourselves in third person?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-31936447155779060912016-11-17T21:19:19.530-06:002016-11-17T21:19:19.530-06:00ABS, I enjoy your opinions. However, St. Hippolyt...ABS, I enjoy your opinions. However, St. Hippolytus the Antipope of Rome and Father of the Roman Church would like to have a word with you. The good Catholics of the 11th century who expelled Benedict IX probably take issue with it as well.<br /><br />The Vigilante actually considers himself far more "radical" than the SSPX where the pope and tradition are concerned (and somewhat sympathetic to von Dollinger). I believe we need to sweep aside the "Spirit of Vatican I" by finally driving a lance into the heart of the ultramontanist dragon (St. George, Pray for us!). <br /><br />And Frankie might be just the man to unintentionally start the events that lead to this end.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-2995946715653608842016-11-17T14:45:33.562-06:002016-11-17T14:45:33.562-06:00ABS, I am done with your belittling of me and the ...ABS, I am done with your belittling of me and the SSPX, and your wrong understanding of Tradition, heresy, and liberalism, whatever that is. You can have the last word if you want, if that makes you feel you win, are superior, etc.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-84799178499848267062016-11-17T12:35:40.928-06:002016-11-17T12:35:40.928-06:00You can purchase them digitally through iTunes or ...You can purchase them digitally through iTunes or Amazon. I don't believe the series is streaming on any of the major outlets.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-74756114222666111222016-11-17T11:31:57.990-06:002016-11-17T11:31:57.990-06:00Hahaha, this reminds me of a question, all public ...Hahaha, this reminds me of a question, all public figures were asked after 1989 in my post commie country - "what have u been doing for the 5 past years?" And there was this answer, usually used in stand up comedies.."I was weaking the Party (communist - my note)...from within."Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09224676979690855135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-87127917461175203692016-11-17T11:30:01.899-06:002016-11-17T11:30:01.899-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Maryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09224676979690855135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-61693003221004171132016-11-17T11:12:06.269-06:002016-11-17T11:12:06.269-06:00BTW, ABS, I don't see how you can make these a...BTW, ABS, I don't see how you can make these attacks, now on me, without any evidence, except your saying so, and expect to be believed at all. And also antagonizing me!Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-9296357567494050882016-11-17T11:08:44.305-06:002016-11-17T11:08:44.305-06:00I never said I agree with everything the SSPX says...I never said I agree with everything the SSPX says, only that they're not schismatics. In what way do I not respect Tradition?Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-69556499842076199542016-11-17T10:39:13.509-06:002016-11-17T10:39:13.509-06:00I don't expect you to believe me. I did expect...I don't expect you to believe me. I did expect you to respect Tradition and apply it to those you admire and not only to those whose agenda you oppose.<br /><br />But, Tradition does not apply to those whose faux tradition is treasured because, it seems, we are all liberals now in the sense that Nixon said we are all Keynseians nowMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-59418776330280552392016-11-17T10:30:01.019-06:002016-11-17T10:30:01.019-06:00Liberal popes are totalitarian in their praxis and...Liberal popes are totalitarian in their praxis and that is to be expected but too few stop to think the conclave knew who Jorge was and what he believed and what he did prior to electing him and so we know a sizable majority is jake with the jerk.Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13970190173980310642016-11-17T10:15:31.581-06:002016-11-17T10:15:31.581-06:00Slightly off topic but where are you able to watch...Slightly off topic but where are you able to watch Babylon 5 episodes? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09998051509468953614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-38328276613542239832016-11-17T08:53:11.033-06:002016-11-17T08:53:11.033-06:00Whether or not the Society is or was schismatic is...Whether or not the Society is or was schismatic is not a judgment I care to make. My point about outsider-ness extends to clerics and religious in unambiguous canonical good standing, who yet find themselves on the "outside" because of their outspokenness and their cynicism about using official channels.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-18676217873542298952016-11-17T08:30:50.340-06:002016-11-17T08:30:50.340-06:00And you still dodge this development that the SSPX...And you still dodge this development that the SSPX will be canonically regularized sooner or later, according to Rorate Caeli: that the structure is already in place and only some fine-tuning of details is required! Oh my goodness; alleged "heretics" and "schismatics" being reintegrated into the Church!Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-84709387617834099472016-11-17T08:28:45.312-06:002016-11-17T08:28:45.312-06:00Oh, it's hopeless. You're just citing quot...Oh, it's hopeless. You're just citing quotations and just expecting us to believe you that the SSPX in schism, Protestants and going to Hell without any evidence!! C'est la vie, indeed. The SSPX always protested that they never left the Church. You are smarter than Fr. Hunwicke, Fr. Z, and Bishop Schneider?!! Give me a break!! I'd dare say they know more about doctrine than you or me, and they would be better informed about the status of the SSPX.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-45986198833865120062016-11-17T05:22:08.603-06:002016-11-17T05:22:08.603-06:00ABS could go further than the following (he won...ABS could go further than the following (he won't) citations from Tradition which teaches the Lefevbre schism resulted in he and his followers going to Hell<br /><br />++++++++++++++++<br />The most Holy Roman Church believes, professes, and teaches that none of those who are not within the Catholic Church,... and schismatics, can ever have a share in eternal life, but that they will go into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels unless before death they shall have entered into the Church; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those abiding within this unity can profit from the Sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and that they alone can receive an eternal reward for their fasts, their almsgiving, their other works of Christian piety and duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may be, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the name of Christ, can be saved unless he abide within the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. (Pope Eugene IV)<br /><br />He who is separated from the body of the Catholic Church, however praiseworthy his conduct may otherwise seem, will not be saved. (Pope Gregory XVI)<br /><br />Not one man of those outside the faith and obedience to the Pontiff of the Romans can finally be saved. (Pope Clement VI)<br /><br />Whoever does not preserve this unity does not preserve the law of God, does not preserve the faith of the Father and Son, and does not have life and salvation. (Pope Pius XII)<br /><br />We must believe that the Roman Catholic Church is the only true Church; hence, they who are out of our Church, or they who are separated from it, cannot be saved. (St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori)<br /><br />Outside the fold of the Holy Roman Church there is no salvation. (Ven. Pope Pius IX)<br />This is the Holy Church, the One Church, the True Church, the Catholic Church, fighting against all heresies! He will not have God for his Father who refuses the Church for his Mother. No one can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Church, you can find everything except salvation. You can have dignities, you can have Sacraments, you can sing "Alleluia," answer "Amen," have the Gospels, have faith and preach it, too. But never can you find salvation except in the Catholic Church(St. Augustine)<br />No one can be saved outside the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church. (Council of Florence)<br /><br />Outside this communion, as outside the Ark of Noah, there is absolutely no salvation for mortals; for the rule of Cyprian and Augustine is certain: that man will not have God for his Father who would not have the Church for his Mother. (St. Peter Canisius)<br /><br />However, the schism of the right is now considered to be holy<br /><br />C'est la vie.<br /><br />Lefevbre was a liberal of the rightMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-80842591090993897132016-11-16T20:18:19.207-06:002016-11-16T20:18:19.207-06:00Funny how you call the SSPX heretics when Bishop S...Funny how you call the SSPX heretics when Bishop Schneider calls them Catholics and even celebrated Mass at their seminary. Seems to me you're the only one who calls them heretics!! Even John Paul II only called them schismatics.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-82367772087009147192016-11-16T20:14:45.879-06:002016-11-16T20:14:45.879-06:00No, that's your erroneous interpretation. Nowh...No, that's your erroneous interpretation. Nowhere do the Popes Paul VI to John Paul II call the SSPX heretics. Nowhere!! And that end part can be interpreted wrongly, if you mean that the Pope can interfere in ordinary matters of the Eastern Catholic churches, like Latinizations and the such, or if the Pope imposes a rite in opposition to Tradition and forbids the traditional rites.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-697688256718093242016-11-16T17:45:41.440-06:002016-11-16T17:45:41.440-06:00Well, they are objectively schismatic and heretica...Well, they are objectively schismatic and heretical in opposition to Infallible teaching<br /><br /><i>Vatican 1:<br /><br />"Wherefore we teach and declare that, by divine ordinance, the Roman church possesses a pre-eminence of ordinary power over every other church, and that this jurisdictional power of the Roman pontiff is both episcopal and immediate. <b>Both clergy and faithful, of whatever rite and dignity, both singly and collectively, are bound to submit to this power by the duty of hierarchical subordination and true obedience, and this not only in matters concerning faith and morals, but also in those which regard the discipline and government of the church throughout the world." </b>(Session 4, Chapter 3, n 2)</i><br /><br />Like Luther before him, Mons Lefebvre thought and taught otherwise and the SSPX's heretical teachings on when it will or will not obey is opposed to Infallible Doctrine and the entirety of Catholic Tradition.<br /><br />Now, as to what the magisterium of the moment does or says is another matter, isn't it ?<br /><br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.com