tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post2567521347028360383..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Ordo Recitandi: For Sale Now!The Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-36800847763839783352016-12-11T15:27:10.880-06:002016-12-11T15:27:10.880-06:00Ah, to imagine Benedict XVI didn't retire and ...Ah, to imagine Benedict XVI didn't retire and leave us the Francis pontificate... but then I also like to imagine John XXIII surviving through the conclusion of the Vatican II, allowing a partially vernacular Mass, requiring both religious and secular clerics to maintain a fully Latin Office and making the Pius XII Holy Week optional. <br /><br />Anyhow, I like to imagine that Benedict would have authorized the 1948 Missal (my personal favorite) and/or recognizing its ancientry and continued use over centuries in comparison to the mere decades of the 1955 Holy Week which is unfortunately inferior in some respects even to the Pauline... allowed celebration of the traditional pre-1955 Holy Week. Other than that, the changes to 1962 in calendar are trivial. The traditional Roman Rite really needs at least half of the 15 suppressed octaves restored.<br /><br />In reality, I suspect, he would have remained strict on the use of 1962, however. While we all have personal preferences, the combined issues are rather more complicated than the arbitrary selection of a specific edition of the Missal. I remain convinced that the ranking system reform of 1960 was very much needed for many centuries. It makes no sense for 16th century Italian confessors to be Doubles while 3rd century and 4th century martyrs are Simplex or Semidouble. If anything, in a vacuum they should be the other way around. Recognizing some of these were deliberate for other factors (to reduce the burden on the clergy WRT the Divine Office) makes it more complicated. For good reasons, few would want to trust any Vatican congregation today to make a new hybrid, though one posits that SSPX and Ecclesia Dei groups would happily embrace a hypothetical 2020 Missal that included the 1960 rankings, pre 1955 Holy Week, and celebration of maybe 8 or 9 octaves with allowance for proper Last Gospels and commemorations at High Mass...<br /><br />Ultimately, Rubricarius is correct, the reign of Pius XII directly led in one axis of liturgical reform from before 1955 to 1962 and then 1969-1970, even if we can see the distinct 'jumps' at 1955 and 1962 (and the comparatively huge gulf at 1969). Unlike many trads, I backtrack the changes to 1911, 1920, etc on the same vector, which held force for barely 5 decades before it's same principle of centrally mandated reform, justified and promulgated on Petrine authority, was used from breviary by St. Pius X and extended to the Missal by Paul VI. St. Pius X also began the "active participation" business... <br />Master uxihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02250038628991781705noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-5178369365951076392016-12-03T02:39:37.565-06:002016-12-03T02:39:37.565-06:00Fascinating interview!Fascinating interview!Andrew Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16416362476181360949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-41667889288156292572016-12-02T12:18:13.705-06:002016-12-02T12:18:13.705-06:00I think that, ultimately, Summorum Pontificum will...<i>I think that, ultimately, Summorum Pontificum will be seen as something that had a damaging effect on the liturgy but the influence of which faded over time. Indeed, I expect that Summorum Pontificum will be negated by legislation from Rome but not within Josef Ratzinger’s lifetime.</i><br /><br />I remain curious what Rubricarius thinks (if he has developed an opinion on this) would have been the best move for Benedict XVI to make instead of Summorum Pontificum - assuming 1) the objective being any decisive step toward a full restoration of Roman liturgical tradition, and 2) that any such step was actually feasible in 2005-13. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.com