tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post5024798077347438216..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Traditionalist Identity PoliticsThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-57633785849897000822017-05-23T04:41:44.542-05:002017-05-23T04:41:44.542-05:00You are right on target with your blog post. How w...You are right on target with your blog post. How we identify ourselves has become more important to some than the identity itself. I also agree that love for each other can become lost when we give into petty arguments about who is doing something right and who is doing something wrong. It is good that God accepts us all.<br /><br /><a href="https://plus.google.com/+OldStMarysDetroitGreektown/about" rel="nofollow">Carson Coronado @ Old St. Mary's Detroit</a>Carson Coronadohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08385861644369828675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-65114885575642591992016-07-11T22:22:29.630-05:002016-07-11T22:22:29.630-05:00In which case, I expect that the new FSSP parish i...In which case, I expect that the new FSSP parish in Fort Worth will have much different (and tastier) sense of identity!Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-23888049938521995222016-07-11T22:13:25.379-05:002016-07-11T22:13:25.379-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-27682058604928651292016-07-11T22:12:21.705-05:002016-07-11T22:12:21.705-05:00There's no black in that diagram, though.There's no black in that diagram, though.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-65778555841130188752016-07-11T21:35:14.426-05:002016-07-11T21:35:14.426-05:00It took me a second to get what the colors represe...It took me a second to get what the colors represented... then it hit me. Well done! I noticed that there is neither blue nor gold (after all, we cannot be assured they are "approved" or "in the rubrics"). Also, rose gives way to pink once again.<br /><br />To be honest though, shouldn't the proportions of the colors be more like this? (courtesy of the St. Joseph Missal of 1961, the Vigilante's childhood missal)<br /><br />https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XVfjRoLzZmI/UKkXKKzj9TI/AAAAAAAAA0s/OlJZUvpLUU4/s1600/TraditionalLiturgicalYear.jpgEcclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-42863279920103362462016-07-11T08:36:37.935-05:002016-07-11T08:36:37.935-05:00I'm disappointed that nobody is gushing over m...I'm disappointed that nobody is gushing over my design for a Traddy Pride Flag.J.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04821093432726247774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-40139560022145941762016-07-11T08:25:19.797-05:002016-07-11T08:25:19.797-05:00Former SSPXers (of which I am also one) usually te...Former SSPXers (of which I am also one) usually tend to be very open to imbibing the "neo-con" mindset, especially so when you throw in a mix of "positive thinking" Protestant converts whose path into the Church almost always flows through the apologetics' industry. The two camps combine and become a powerful "third position" which basically boils down to a Protestant fundamentalism with pseudo-traditional Liturgy, after the personal devotional life is first attended to of course. I don't see any of these as necessarily embracing traditionalism but rather reinventing it and then decrying any and all tenets of the original traditionalist position. <br /><br />It happens here too, but the focus on the Liturgy itself, I think, helps to mitigate it. The aforesaid camps, sadly, have little use for the actual Liturgy, and such a focus would undercut the identity of which you speak. <br /><br />Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-48987062258444877872016-07-10T22:19:24.791-05:002016-07-10T22:19:24.791-05:00Former SSPXers and a large contingent of "Nov...Former SSPXers and a large contingent of "Novus Ordo" Catholics experiencing traditionalism for the first time. The latter have a tendency, like many converts from Protestantism, to go veering off into extremes as they don't know any better.<br /><br />The former SSPXers (myself included) tend to be either the sanest or the most extreme.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-66219840479284361972016-07-10T21:02:47.194-05:002016-07-10T21:02:47.194-05:00As EV noted earlier, many of the people going to t...As EV noted earlier, many of the people going to the Dallas FSSP church were former SSPXers, which is a big factor here.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-84368549259829418842016-07-10T20:44:58.037-05:002016-07-10T20:44:58.037-05:00Given the large number of transplants in Dallas, y...Given the large number of transplants in Dallas, your "local flavor" analogy might need something more Northeastern and superficial. Everyone knows the real Texas in the metroplex resides in Fort Worth ;)Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-80984595807770503082016-07-10T20:15:53.917-05:002016-07-10T20:15:53.917-05:00Athelstane, yes, it does seem that Dallas is parti...Athelstane, yes, it does seem that Dallas is particularly problematic. And from what I hear, the hostility there between SSPX and FSSP is a fever pitch. Meanwhile, St. Mary's, KS circa 1993 called and demanded royalties! Really, that type of pettiness has simmered down quite a bit in most locales; nowadays the younger generation(s) attend the Mass centers interchangeably.Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-9619610852624157192016-07-10T19:53:34.969-05:002016-07-10T19:53:34.969-05:00Dallas seems to be an unusually unhealthy environm...Dallas seems to be an unusually unhealthy environment all around. It's one of worst dioceses in AmChurch world, and anything remotely traditional has been firmly ghettoed-off into Mater Dei and the Eastern Rite parishes. The Easterners are indifferent to that, but as for anyone traddy....well, combined with the SSPX refugee element, the result is a BBQ pit full of the usual pathologies (see, I'm working local flavor into my analogies).<br /><br /><i>"Communities need group identities in order to survive."</i> And in some places, we must work extra hard to make sure those identities are healthy ones. Athelstanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07346012062816580296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-13949457779441637442016-07-10T01:28:56.597-05:002016-07-10T01:28:56.597-05:00I think it's the North Texas Tradistanis in pa...I think it's the North Texas Tradistanis in particular. There was a lot going on years ago and some of the residue remains.<br /><br />Dallas in particular was an odd diocese: a large Legionare presence, Rudy Kos, Bishop Grahmann, bad 80's architecture for churches, and a lack of any "legit" Latin Mass options which led to an SSPX monopoly which led to inner fighting which led to a large FSSP parish being set up over by University of Dallas (a very weird college).Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-22905874148731353392016-07-09T20:08:26.874-05:002016-07-09T20:08:26.874-05:00Is there something in the heat in TX or the presen...Is there something in the heat in TX or the presence of one, particular major center of Tradistan that causes this blog to paint with a broad brush?Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-91214479479577372592016-07-08T10:19:36.306-05:002016-07-08T10:19:36.306-05:00i never thought it would happen*i never thought it would happen*Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-2008775075094053172016-07-08T07:01:31.150-05:002016-07-08T07:01:31.150-05:00That's why we need to work in our parishes. We...That's why we need to work in our parishes. We need to work locally and not separate ourselves in some quasi-sects.<br /><br />My parish just featured 2 vernacular ad orientem Masses, and one latin ad orientem with chanted readings and incense.<br /><br />My Jesuit friend and i, by the grace of God, and goodness of our parish priest, prepared it. I never thought it would. But hey. We asked. We got what we asked for.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com