tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post594155288539756578..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Reasons for the Reform of the Roman Rite Part IV: Separation of Liturgy and DoctrineThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-69489787727961685772013-04-12T09:48:16.116-05:002013-04-12T09:48:16.116-05:00Correction, the Leonine feast was "In medio e...Correction, the Leonine feast was "In medio ecclesiae" according to a Missale Romanum from 1913.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-17951740997259307862013-04-11T19:43:26.311-05:002013-04-11T19:43:26.311-05:00Chuffed to get a mention in this post! And chuffed...Chuffed to get a mention in this post! And chuffed to see that it was nice and meaty!<br /><br />I liked how clearly and calmly you have spelled out a) what happened with particular papal interventions in the liturgy, and b) the problems with it. You've done that really effectively.<br /><br />I have a copy of Kavanagh in the post actually...!Johannes Faberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08463055629665246068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-54364288808212916672013-04-11T18:56:36.237-05:002013-04-11T18:56:36.237-05:00Liturgical Commentator:
Thank you for the suggest...Liturgical Commentator:<br /><br />Thank you for the suggestion. I have not yet read Fr Kavanagh, but I am familiar with him by reputation. A priest friend of mine knew him decades ago as a monk at St John's, where he came to know the liturgist through other Benedictines.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-63484299000867830402013-04-11T18:49:52.804-05:002013-04-11T18:49:52.804-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-55905692236922770772013-04-11T18:29:58.186-05:002013-04-11T18:29:58.186-05:00I think you'd enjoy reading Fr. Aidan Kavanagh...I think you'd enjoy reading Fr. Aidan Kavanagh's <i>On Liturgical Theology</i>, if you're not already familiar with it. Don't let the Collegeville imprint scare you.Novianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09950202747011894890noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-60012080738967807542013-04-11T14:30:06.927-05:002013-04-11T14:30:06.927-05:00Marko:
Ideally the two develop side by side or mu...Marko:<br /><br />Ideally the two develop side by side or mutually enrich. A nice example from the Eastern rites is the use of the term "Theotokos" for our Lady. Most Christological heresies originated in the East and the Divine Liturgies bear the marks of fighting those heresies (constant use of the words "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" to emphasize Christ's belonging to the Godhead). The liturgies of Mari & Addai, of St. John Chrysostom, and of St. Basil the Great contain references and hymns to Mary, calling her "Theotokos," in response to the Nestorians who called her "Christotokos" (implying she carried Christ, but not God). The liturgy probably did as much, if not more, to enforce orthodoxy within the laity than the decrees of the Councils.<br /><br />Rubricari:<br /><br />How right you are. Today, Feast of St Leo the Great, would be one of those days now under the "Si diligis me" formula rather than "Statuit ei." Much of the new text is from the Papal Coronation Mass, I believe. How many times can one hear "Tu es Petrus" in a year?The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-70917693118783486602013-04-11T13:41:10.841-05:002013-04-11T13:41:10.841-05:00Another, classic, example was the 1942 proper for ...Another, classic, example was the 1942 proper for popes. At a sweep of the proverbial pen many ancient, as well as many more modern, formularies were cast aside never to be heard again with their replacement by some very pedestrian, and highly predictable, texts.Rubricariushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05050302650867319277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-47735221280116647852013-04-11T11:06:21.465-05:002013-04-11T11:06:21.465-05:00Doesn't doctrine really stem from liturgy?Doesn't doctrine really stem from liturgy?Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com