tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post596376741773192569..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Reasons for the Reform of the Roman Rite Part I: FeastsThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-4166775081101010582013-04-04T16:37:57.288-05:002013-04-04T16:37:57.288-05:00Johannes,
My suggestion is that one become acquai...Johannes,<br /><br />My suggestion is that one become acquainted by reading the old Missal and breviary, or perhaps perusing an Ordo (like the St Lawrence Press edition, which follows the 1939 liturgy). You can read the 1570, 1910, Pius X, and John XXIII Offices at divinumofficium.com<br /><br />If you want books, I would recommend Laszlo Dobszay's "The Bugnini Liturgy," which aside from discussing the post-Conciliar liturgy relays a lot of information, both historical and spiritual, on the Tridentine liturgy and the pre-Tridentine, medieval liturgy. Also good is Gregory Dix's "Shape of the Liturgy." Dix was an Anglican, but his knowledge of patristic texts applicable to liturgy is paralleled only by Fr Robert Taft, SJ (who is far more competent in the Eastern rites than in the Roman rite). I've been meaning to read Dr Hull's book, thus far I have only read his article "Proto-History of the Roman Liturgical Reform."<br /><br />The Rad TradThe Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-74857835983185660022013-04-04T16:23:59.771-05:002013-04-04T16:23:59.771-05:00You seem like a cool guy. Got some book recommenda...You seem like a cool guy. Got some book recommendations you might be interested in, and you seem like the sort who would have interesting stuff to reciprocate with. Like some stuff by Geoffrey Hull, read any of that? So how would one contact you, o Raddius Traddius?Johannes Faberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08463055629665246068noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-23951601185933315002013-04-03T15:10:49.537-05:002013-04-03T15:10:49.537-05:00Okay.
Thank you :)
It sure puts a wider perspecti...Okay.<br />Thank you :)<br /><br />It sure puts a wider perspective.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-67030130063402582772013-04-03T09:09:24.480-05:002013-04-03T09:09:24.480-05:00Marko,
I will explain those points in future post...Marko,<br /><br />I will explain those points in future posts. I am trying to help people understand what the causes were for the liturgical reform and what created a culture conducive to it, among both the laity and the clergy, which did not exist a century earlier.<br /><br />The Rad TradThe Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-59996181157745742252013-04-03T09:04:57.002-05:002013-04-03T09:04:57.002-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.The Rad Tradhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-46935717948257406962013-04-03T01:57:56.417-05:002013-04-03T01:57:56.417-05:00Only the first problem is the problem with the lit...Only the first problem is the problem with the liturgy itself.<br />Other problems have men in center.<br /><br />2.low Mass - it's the priest's fault if he will not celebrate Missa Cantata or publicly celebrate the Divine Office. It's not like there were some impediments in the liturgy itself.<br /><br />3. devotionalism. what does it mean? is it the popular complaint that people prayed the Rosary during the Mass? remember that st. Francis de Sales recommended Rosary as one of the most venerable ways to meditate upon mysteries of the Mass<br /><br />4. in what ways did liturgy and doctrine separated? need i remind you of Mediator Dei?<br /><br />5. also it's the blame on the people of the later liturgical movement to take the left turn - not the problem in the Roman Liturgy itself<br /><br />6. centralization? oh you mean the dissapearance of the local uses? well that was also entirely upon the will of the people and bishops. Council of Trent had precise guidelines for keeping the particular uses. many of the rites fulfilled the criterions of the Council of Trent. but it's the bishops who renounced them and accepted the Roman Rite. this happened with the rite of capital city of my country Croatia which is Zagreb. It had it's own rite - for sacraments, Mass and Office. but the bishop accepted the Roman Rite in 18th century. <br />we witness even greater centralization today - when not even the Orders cherish their particular Rites.Marko Ivančičevićhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04579400863718513875noreply@blogger.com