tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post8313665658831450002..comments2024-03-12T04:14:16.271-05:00Comments on The Rad Trad: Communion on Good Friday? EDITEDThe Rad Tradhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00899289024837953345noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-20488539347516799202022-04-13T19:17:21.046-05:002022-04-13T19:17:21.046-05:00i thought i remembered not receiving whe i was you...i thought i remembered not receiving whe i was young thamks im not going to receiveAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07707698187903767989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-21395319043025682992016-02-04T17:21:12.742-06:002016-02-04T17:21:12.742-06:00Still, it's a pretty late medieval Missal, and...Still, it's a pretty late medieval Missal, and doesn't seem to be representative of the period as a whole. Since the liturgy wasn't regulated at this period, variations like this were bound to happen.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-42450172682136180752016-02-03T13:49:36.424-06:002016-02-03T13:49:36.424-06:00On the Good Friday Communion. An early XV century ...On the Good Friday Communion. An early XV century Missal used in the cathedral of Riga has a rubric: "Pax Di non dicitur, neque Agnus Dei cantatur, nec Pax datur. Et sic communicent prelatus & omnes qui voluerint.Vespere submisse dicitur." The context implies that it is not communion 'outside Mass'.<br /><br />On the alleged 'consecration' by putting a piece of the Host in wine. It seems that there was such a view, as well as attempts to correct it. In the same Missal a rubric states: "Tunc partita hostia unam partem mittit in calicem, nichil dicens. Hinc sanctificatur vinum per corpus Di". And here a later hand has added "sed tamen non transsubstanciatum in sanguinem". Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-42737434685917590562016-02-01T17:35:02.303-06:002016-02-01T17:35:02.303-06:00It's a Rad Trad said, people would be in hyste...It's a Rad Trad said, people would be in hysteria. It's a necessary evil/pastoral concession that will take time to rectify. Fr. P has not been shy about driving home the fact that the one does not come to Mass in general in order to receive Communion. By moving the distribution out of the rite (with at least a five minute intermission), it keeps the rite intact.Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-56514844592156296712016-02-01T16:57:52.221-06:002016-02-01T16:57:52.221-06:00Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia article on ...Here is what the Catholic Encyclopedia article on Good Friday stated: "At present [1909] the celebrant alone communicates, but it appears from the old Roman Ordines that formerly all present communicated (Martene, III, 367)."Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08395971347119256329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-33359556257587941322016-02-01T11:56:15.684-06:002016-02-01T11:56:15.684-06:00This might be worth checking out. I wonder what t...This might be worth checking out. I wonder what the norm was in Good Friday Rituals (Greek, Roman, Coptic, etc.) for the first 1500 years. It would be interesting to see if and when the norms changed at any given point.Ecclesial Vigilantehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17070187926547373245noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-91918009134413406532016-02-01T10:54:43.981-06:002016-02-01T10:54:43.981-06:00I was thinking in the same vein as Pulex; why *any...I was thinking in the same vein as Pulex; why *any* communion?dk pintarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12933452966270998435noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-15859415366231603512016-02-01T09:57:17.035-06:002016-02-01T09:57:17.035-06:00If one wants to explain the practice by introducin...If one wants to explain the practice by introducing a concept of "Real Loss" then why should the celebrant receive Communion, especially, since the Consecration does not take place? By the way, how and when this practice started? There are late medieval Missals (15 cent.) where the rubrics do foresee the Communion of faithful on Good Friday.Pulexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13164993172745639593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-73806341519098907322016-01-31T21:16:35.980-06:002016-01-31T21:16:35.980-06:00John, you & Mater Ecclesiae would know the ans...John, you & Mater Ecclesiae would know the answer: what does canon law have to say? Obviously the Pacellian rites and the Pauline rites allow for Holy Communion. But something outside of those must govern distribution, since the sick may receive on Good Friday, but only the dying can on Holy Saturday. I don’t want to ever do the ancient rite with Holy Communion attached, but I need to have a good reason to do so, and evidentally the parish feels comfortable distributing Holy Communion outside of the Mass of the pre-sanctified/solemn liturgical action. Matthew Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00958673318312786618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-43934525947428376842016-01-31T18:08:10.522-06:002016-01-31T18:08:10.522-06:00It is interesting how the elevation of the Body an...It is interesting how the elevation of the Body and Blood during consecration managed to "minimize" the elevation at the end of the Canon.Marco da Vinhahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06092410765851812842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3348523519788188753.post-86127094266229353112016-01-31T16:56:27.457-06:002016-01-31T16:56:27.457-06:00We're taking a gradual phase-out approach; the...We're taking a gradual phase-out approach; the war of ideas has already been won. Last year, we left Communion for the faithful as is per the 1956 rite following the Celebrant's Communion in the otherwise intact pre-55 rite. This year, the rite will definitively end at the Celebrant's Communion, the ministers will retire to the sacristy, and then there will be an extra-liturgical distribution of Communion whilst Vespers are chanted. I'm hoping to get at least all the clergy and servers to lead by example and refrain from Communion. Joanneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00496552906164909711noreply@blogger.com