Wednesday, September 25, 2013

Question for Readers

The Rad Trad knows his readers worship the Lord in various rites and types of communities: FSSP and other Ecclesia Dei Latin Masses, diocesan Latin Masses, SSPX Masses, the Pauline Mass in a diocesan setting, and the Byzantine rite. The Rad Trad has found the parishioners in these communities tend to vary in their views of Darwinian Evolution and Msgr. Georges Lemaitre's Theory of the Primeval Atom (aka the "Big Bang"). The question for readers is: what is the outlook in your area? Be as specific or opaque as you wish. There is no desired answer. It is merely a sociological question.


  1. This will probably be the less valuable comment, but I hope I can do help you:

    When I was in Venice, I attended 1962 Latin Mass (FSSP). There most parishoners I met, both old and young, did not believe in Darwinian hypothesis; I think that, by logic (and in these things the Traddie-Venetian Ghetto used to be very logical), they did not believe in Big Bang, too.

    Now I attend to my wild-nouus-ordo parish in Spain: there I am always trying to keep far from parish life, and I do not meet, nor talk, other parishoners. So I have no information here.

    I hope I have been useful!

    Kyrie eleison

  2. I use to be opposed to Theistic evolution because I couldn't see how to reconcile it with Romans 5 but that has changed recently and I was able to reconcile the two so I suppose I lean towards Theistic evolution.

    1. How did you reconcile the two? How do you also reconcile the consesus of the Fathers(which the Church regards as infallible) on the litteral understanding of Genesis with any form of evolution?

      Only thing i can see in the world is new species in becoming, but more and more species going extinct. Man not giong upwards, but he is more and more stuck in the mud of this world...

  3. Personally, I'm still stumped on that one. I do believe, that Adam and Eve were historical persons.

  4. I think it really varies from person to person, not by type of parish. It pains me to see how many otherwise traditional Catholics believe in some version of evolution. I used to, too, but it cleared up fairly soon after my conversion.

    A combox is hardly a forum for an entire argument. As briefly as possible: Adam and Eve were directly created by God and placed in the perfect world He created. When Adam sinned, Nature fell with Adam. Therefore, there is no room for millions of years of critters ripping each other to pieces, in an already fallen world, before Adam appeared. (If you think I've stated anything heretical here, let me know.)

    For those who think Genesis is only 'poetic', or whatever, see also in Luke chapter 2, the descent of St. Joseph from Adam--about 75 generations (of varying lengths), if memory serves.

    On the logical level, note we live in an 'ecosystem' with all the different classes of beings interdependent in some fashion. How do you get such a system piece by piece? And each individual creature, whether butterfly, elephant, or human, functions only as a whole. So what did the lungs do while the liver was evolving? Even removing a bunch of enzymes or a few chromosomes can make life impossible.

    I think we have all been snookered by what passes for modern 'science' in these matters. I encourage any Catholic still stumped by this issue to examine it more closely--via Scripture and many dogmas defined by the Church, and other sources--because it is truly critical. There is also plenty of fascinating non-mainstream science, from both Catholics and Protestants, dealing with the physical questions.

    Once you 'get' this issue, by the grace of God, your view of the world will change. You will stand in awe of the grandeur and complexity of Creation, and laugh at the puny struggles of the materialists to explain it!

    1. Thank you for the reply but I was not actually seeking personal takes on the matter, but actually general reports as to how opinion is distributed at your parish.