"A perfect reason to NEVER read that website, Tom. Irascibly ungrateful, myopic and borderline vainglorious – that lot. Yes, it had its nod and winks and nudges, but the bastard that wrote it never once took on the cataclysmic consequences that Canon Hesse made entirely plain. The “eccentricities” about which the “author” flapped his gums are the blasphemies and schismatic violence done the Church by the liberals. He missed Canon Hesse’s arguments entirely. Which, in his case, was entirely to be expected. Thanks for the reminder. “Trad World” is filled with rummy pretentionists." ("gmptrad")
"Love one another as I have loved you." (John 13:34)
I would like to think that Fr. Hesse and I could have bonded on matters of enology, politics, and liturgy!
In all seriousness, much of the post-Conciliar debacle continues because people take themselves far too seriously. Try to perpetuate and multiply the good things the Lord has given us rather than moan about what ills others have visited upon us. It is an easy way to lose one's mind and one's faith....
The article in Angel Queen is one of the biggest rubbishes I've reade in the last months. I would rather say, dear Rad Trad, that an insult from them is a demonstration that you are doing the things well.
ReplyDeleteMany traddies do not want to accept that the past will never come back, and that talking and discussing and blaming the current crisis the way they do is not going to help them both worldly and spiritually.
K. e.
Hear, hear! Indeed, I would take it as a compliment!
ReplyDeleteAngelqueen, in its former conception, was the (old) Rorate Coeli of its day. 24-7 Trad news cycle with pages upon pages on comments, tangents, etc. Twas also the medium through which I was first acquainted with the esteemed Rubricarius (about 12 years ago); he once posted a quiz of sorts about the all sorts of minutiae in the Office which would have been moot following 1955. The website through a makeover, probably with the same intent to "clean" up the tone the way Rorate did more recently. I've found AQ terribly boring since and completely redundant to Rorate except that AQ seems more overtly aligned with the SSPX.
ReplyDeleteThat would have been Mgr. Ronald Knox's quiz that had appeared in 'Clergy Review'. I used to post photos of versus populum celebrations, girls in liturgical processions etc and it had no effect whatsoever. A few comments later it would all be back to the self-reinforcing script of 'when the altars turned around after the Council' etc, etc, ad nauseam.
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DeleteI already knew the uersus populum images, &c., but these... where could I find them?
K. e.
completely redundant to Rorate...
DeleteThat's been my sense as well, not least because Rorate's template is far easier to read and more professional than Angelqueen's.
Regarding some commenters on Trad websites, I would quote the formidable Nurse Diesel*: "We are dealing with some very sick people." Also, what's with the split infinitive?
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*"High Anxiety*
Yes indeed, the ‘old’ Angelqueen with forums was the best Trad site on the web. I well remember Rubrician’s post with the Knox quiz.
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In all seriousness, much of the post-Conciliar debacle continues because people take themselves far too seriously.
ReplyDeleteI hate to generalize too much, but it *has* been my sense that this problem - which is real - is especially acute for many older traditionalists. Which, to a certain degree I both understand and make allowances for, because so many of these people were treated in truly appalling ways by Church authorities in the Bad Old Days, with almost no resort to traditional sacraments (however celebrated) to sustain them. Worse, by the early 80's, even the hope that the "reform" would be undone quickly was fading fast. Such hardships understandably left their mark on some people. Anything less than deadly earnestness, and close adherence to an established, narrow narrative can come across as coming from "bastard[s] that "never once took on the cataclysmic consequences." This is total war, and you don't take prisoners.
As tradition gradually crawls out of the hole, however, and fresh blood replenishes the old, it's becoming apparent that the atmosphere is changing. Not least because most of us now are not men and women with any living memory of Pope Pius XII, and less invested need on making an unimpeachable icon of him, or the era in which he reigned. Likewise, as tradition expands farther and farther beyond Econe, it becomes easier to cast a critical (if respectful) eye at St. Pius X's works as well.
Try to perpetuate and multiply the good things the Lord has given us rather than moan about what ills others have visited upon us.
ReplyDeleteAmen!! That is timeless advice from innumerable Saints but it has been dropped down the memory hole by far too many trads