Think what you want about Chris Ferrara and Mark Shea as writers (I don't care much for either), but they restrain themselves admirably in this debate for the Argument of the Month forum. It is worth viewing in its entirety, even if just to watch the occasional interruptions to the debate, as when everyone present stops to say a Hail Mary for someone they just learned is dying in a hospital.
This is a good topic for discussion, and one which tends to get ignored even by well-intentioned men.
I watched it. Shea is not a good debater. He constantly dodges answering the real questions.
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ReplyDeleteShea not only dodged/evaded the obvious reality, he seems to have not been learnt that Traditional Catholicism (See Roman Catechism which begins with Happiness and with knowing one's audience) and its too bad that Mr Ferrara did not note that).
ReplyDelete"Forming Intentional Disciples" is an attempt to get the church to adopt the protestant Jesus and Me approach (corrected for Catholics) but that is built on an ethos that asserts a believer does not need a Pope or Priest or Church but can attain unto salvation on his own.
The Rad Trad proposal is far superior because it is a Catholic proposal anchored in Catholic Tradition/Ecclesiadtical history but Shea and the gang of evangelicals (he, Eden, Brumley, Hahn, Waddell etc) have books to market and She's is delighted that Waddell is now teaching the Bishops what to do.
ABS finds Shea's approach not only a denial of reality but quite offensive as he does not seem to understand the duty to Teach, Rule, Sanctify incumbent on the Hierarchy and, like so many protestants who have not shed their intellectual baggage, he thinks the laity can substitute for a destructive Hierarchy but Jesus established His Hierarchy for a purpose and when the Hierarchy does not actualise its duties, the entire church suffers
Shea not only dodged/evaded the obvious reality, he seems to have not been learnt that Traditional Catholicism (See Roman Catechism which begins with Happiness and with knowing one's audience) teaches what he thinks is missing and its too bad that Mr Ferrara did not note that
DeleteThe Protestant "Personal Relationship with Jesus" ethos is deadly to the Catholic Church precisely because it eliminates that which Jesus established, His Hierarchical Church with Sacraments.
O, and if you hear a Pope ever talk about the four last things publicly, Heaven and Hell, and the need for conversion to the Catholic Church to attain unto Salvation, ABS will eat every single Palm Tree in Florida.